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Less extreme parties were blamed for causing Germany’s problems. People became more afraid Communists aka Bolsheviks may take over. Moderate parties turned to Nazis to keep Communists out. 1932 National Socialists won 37% of vote, and became largest single party in the Reichstag.

Hitler demanded the right to become Chancellor, but President Hindenburg appointed Franz von Papen instead. As he did not command Reichstag support, von Papen was soon replaced by General Kurt von Schleicher.

Schleicher’s government was also unable to control the Reichstag. Anxious to regain power, von Papen struck a deal to make Hitler Chancellor, with himself as Vice-Chancellor. Moderate parties would hold all but three government posts, which would go to National Socialists; one of these would be Hitler as Chancellor. In the hope of creating a stable government, elderly President Hindenburg agreed to plan. 30 January 1933, Hitler became Chancellor of Germany.
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the lesson of the story? when you bash everyone, don’t be surprised how milquetoast normies go from minding their own business
to full on brownshirts on these communist thugs
sooner or later, everyone will be forced to pick a side
and these Communists aren’t the charismatic side…

I’m a proud American patriot and I’m not siding with either of you wackos. I will agree with you on this though, these violent commie bastards do need a good ass kicking and if I see one engaging in violent behavior I’ll join you in beating the shit out of them.

Being a “proud American patriot” means you are on our side by default. A “fascist” is anybody who isn’t one of them. Just as in in the 30’s a “fascist” was anybody who actively opposed communism.

That was only according to Stalin. The people who put the most effort into defeating NAZIs were patriots, not commies.

And the modern left is full of wack-jobs too. That doesn’t mean I’m going to join the NAZIs. I would like my freedoms intact thank you very much. I already have picked a side. I’m a right-wing libertarian.

If you are what passes for a “proud American patriot” then we are truly fucked. Antifa shit-soldiers are mere puppets of the puppets of the ring masters we actually battle to save America. Quite probably more levels of fucking (((puppetry))) actually.
We need more people to see below the surface, and you seem to have ONLY a surface view.

you don’t get to use that argument when you openly deny the holocaust, don’t accept trans people as their gender, and believe all gay people are into kinky shit

> openly deny the holocaust
Still have to actually see the comic everyone refers to. Mind actually linking it?
>don’t accept trans people as their gender
Neither do they, so they change it on paper and run around gamestop being 6’3 sounding like Mr. T and having a beard, yet wanting to be called ma’am.
>believe all gay people are into kinky shit
There’s state records of gay people being more likely to carry STDs, be the perpetrator of child abuse and other kinds of “kinky shit” like bugcatchers, but I guess facts don’t matter these days

Also amazing, you’re literally advocating violence/murder of people who you deem “wrongthink”

This one suggests the holocaust wasn’t real. http://imgur.com/FgfJPKF.
Good work on the trans straw man.
Don’t be a generalizing asshole.

I mean this clearly doesn’t say it’s fake. And just because a character says it doesn’t mean he supports it 100% either. But I don’t have to tell you or the trans people, y’all are gonna commit suicide soon anyways.

Read a history book, one with fewer pictures and more words.

There was widespread famine in Germany in 1944-45, due both to insufficient agricultural production and constant Allied attacks on transportation infrastructure that made it difficult or impossible to move food and other goods to where they were needed. The Germans were so desperate that they put eight-year-old Hitler Youth kids and grey-bearded grandfathers into uniforms and put rifles in their hands and sent them into the meatgrinder–go look up the “Volkssturm” units–and not just on the Eastern Front. By 1945 there was mass starvation, due in part to the introduction into Austria and southern Germany of the Colorado Potato Beetle by the OSS, the predecessor of today’s CIA–the sort of thing we call “biological warfare” when people we don’t like do it.

This is an appropriate starting point for research on the topic.

Likewise, typhus borne by body lice was also epidemic all over Western and Central Europe by 1944. Go look up who won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1948, and why he got the award.

“you don’t get to use that argument when you…” So you’re admitting it’s accurate in that you’re ok with violence for wrong think?

“don’t accept trans people as their gender” Why do Trans people get to tell everyone else what reality is? It seems the neutral ground is to let each person have their own view of gender. If we were acting like trannies, then we would be running around harassing and and making people legally liable when they mismatch pronouns to chromosomes…but we’re not. We’re just not playing along.

>you don’t get to use that argument when you openly deny the holocaust
Common argument of idiots: “If the holocaust wasn’t real, then why did the soldiers admit that they were following orders?”

Meanwhile, not a single signed order of Hitler that even remotely alludes to the holocaust was found.
Its just one of those things, you know, when your country is completely in the enemies hands, including your families and they got you by the balls.

Also, go ask some holocaust survivors, in a pitiful tone, if the gas shower rooms were cold.
They’ll say they were freezing and it was so awful oy gevalt.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Zyklon B (hydrogen cyanide) needs to be heated to 26.5 degrees celsius to reach a gaseous state.
Which is incredibly toasty. But jews don’t know how the hell hydrogen cyanide works, so they’ll just parrot the “they threw gas pellets at us oy vey” idiocy.

The holohoax was a hoax. “Trans” people are gender dysphorics who are not being treated properly. Most gays are into “kinky” shit. They are also diseased and have much higher chances of abuse in their relationships.
Your worldview is wrong.

What an odd quote to appropriate.

I mean, it meshes with my beliefs and is part of the reason I believe what I do.

But who are “they” in the original quote?

do you really not know that?

Recognizing Socratic irony can be difficult.

“They’re coming for m–I mean all of us, fellow normal people!” – a fascist

Normal person is precisely what you mean by “fascist”. You won’t ever find a normal person in antifa. With antifa, you can’t even tell the men and women apart.

fascists often honestly believe that they are not fascists. a good cartoon

Hey! You’re the chick in the first panel!

also sjw always jump at the opportunity of bashing people for whatever reason, so you could say this comic has various degrees of meaning.

I should also add that if everything you have is a hammer, then everything you see will be a nail.

using “sjw” unironically is incredibly embarrassing, so choosing to use it is a subtle and skilful way to indicate that you’re being ironic. a good comment

Being ironic and using “sjw” are not the point of my comment.
The point is that as people on the “right” of the political spectrum are not aware of drifting so much from moderate (or should I say non extreme?) positions, the same is for the ones on the “left” of it, the measure for knowing when you’re going too much far is when you’re going out bashing people or using violence.

Be it tankies or fascists, using violence is NEVER a good move. And you and me, we both know that people with the urge to lay hands on others are too much frequent in both parties.
Do not tolerate violence or advocate for it! Never ever do it, even if it’s a fascist. That Karl Popper paradox is bullshit. Not tolerating intolerance never meant “you’re good to go and whack people on the head as long as it’s fascism in your eyes”.

yeah i know irony wasn’t the point of your comment. i’m trying to make it the point of your comment, because your comment was terrible. this “both sides” rhetoric is bullshit and you know it. violence against fascism is fundamentally good and should be encouraged, since it’s, y’know, against fascism.

Dude, violence is NEVER fundamentally good.
Else you can play with shades and say to anyone that he is fascist to a degree and go beating people up.
Which is what this comic is trying to say.
Care to look at a dictionary?
Definition of fascism on merriam-webster.com:
A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized, autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation and forcible supression of opposition.

Only because antifas took out the race, nation, economic and dictatorial part and kept severe social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition (often with violence, more often with social shunning and ostracization of opponents), this does not mean they’re less at fault or not fascists.

If perchance I would stand with everything Hitler stood for, except for the racial and eugenics parts, would that make me less of a nazi?
No.

So why antifa going around beating and/or being nuisance and ruining the day of random people who do not share their opinion are less fascists only because they don’t advocate for nationalism and race purity?

How far one has to be his head in its ass to not comprehend violence is ALWAYS WRONG, and if you feel justified by your ideology to use it on people, the same counts for others ideologies and they are no more at fault that you?
What are laws for?
What is freedom of thinking (not even speech) for?

What is civil cohabitation for?
What is democracy for?

“if i stand with everything hitler stood for, except for the defining characteristics of fascism, the thing that hitler stood for, because instead i’m staunchly opposed to those things and am in fact fighting against those who intend to bring them about, would that make me less of a nazi?”

yes. obviously.

you looked up the dictionary definition of fascism and then threw it away to make a nonsensical argument????

Look up the definition of fascism, fascism is, by dictionary definition, a right wing, nationalistic, and authoritarian form of government, you seem to get that part right, but you fail to realize that just because you don’t tolerate the views of someone, doesn’t mean you get to use violence on them, no matter how bad you may think their world view is…, while the general use is someone who is right wing and has intolerable viewpoints, what you forget is that fascists also seek to control what others say in order to push out dissenters, I don’t see these so called “Neo-Nazis” doing that, in fact many “Neo-Nazis” are in support of free speech, which by definition makes them not fascist as they welcome other viewpoints and don’t use violence or shut people out in order to silence opinions.

That makes you, in turn the fascist, as you seek to use violence to punish dissenters, and to control the populace through violence, fear, and punishment, it doesn’t matter if you are Far-Left, you can still be a fascist as you seek to use violence to further your political goals,/ I wonder who else did that /? But you still want to call us the fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

What? Deporting people who have came into this country illegally? Even I see why we shouldn’t be supporting people who didn’t come here legally, and I am Libertarian Conservative,

I may be right leaning on economic issues, but I certainly am in favor of foreign aid efforts, which is something many liberals support by the way

But the American dream should be only offered to people who come here LEGALLY, I am pretty sure Trump supporters right now don’t care if you are Latino or come from Mexico, if you came here legally, nobody would care, but if you came here illegally and are assaulting Trump supporters for wearing MAGA hats in a bar, then wonder why you get deported when it is discovered you came here illegally (look it up, this happened), that is on you!

… Then why aren’t we in anarchy right now? Laws work because people agree to work under them, in order for that to happen your government must be a fair government, why do you think that many fascist regimes either died or are super violent to their own citizens?

did – did you forget to ask the question before? i checked the thread, this is the first time you’ve asked it.

in any case: yes, when “somebody’s political views” constitute violence in and of themselves, such as when “somebody’s political views” happen to be fascism. violent response in that case is defensive and entirely appropriate.

But last time I checked, the Proud Boys only became violent after Antifa tried to go after them, they are just an evangelical group that wants to spread Christ around America, when Antifa showed up and tried to attack them, instead of pussying out they went on the offensive and kicked the shit out of them, there is videos showing Antifa being the ones who attacked first, even one where a crowd surrounded two people, that doesn’t seem like the Proud Boys were being violent, that was Antifa being violent

People with views of white supremacy should have the same right to the floor as any other ideology, as long as they don’t engage in violent acts based on their dogma and resign themselves to civil debate, then I believe they serve as much value to political debate as anyone else.

That saying, unfortunately the Proud Boys don’t fit that definition upon further investigation, and so do Antifa, as Horseshoe theory mandates that they tend to do the same type of violent actions to people with viewpoints they don’t like.

Which is why I personally say that both should be recognized a domestic terrorist groups as they seek to control your actions through violence.

I love how I show you a legitimate viewpoint and you can’t say anything besides that,

Did you even take the time to read the article by the SPLC? Also known as the Southern Poverty Law Center?

Nice job playing yourself as you have shown to be nothing more than a person stuck in their own echo chamber not even capable of acknowledging that other viewpoints exist and have the same right to debate as you do.

What would you rather have? A wold where people are all racist/sexist/whatever, or a world where your speech is constantly monitored and you will lose everything if you so much as step out of the liberal ideology for one second? Pick your poison

The problem I have with your viewpoint is that you can’t just assume everyone is oppressed, that is literally assuming someone is worse off because of their skin color, and that is not always the case.

While some problems in ghetto areas of cities are understandably due to white people, it is unfair to assume that white people in the now are causing it, this issue has deeper roots, but assuming that means every black person in America is oppressed means your view on them is based off of their skin color.

Horseshoe theory is not meant to “equate oppressors to oppressed”, it shows that people on the opposite ends of the political spectrum tend to believe in similar things in some cases, even then I am pretty sure the topic was originally ANTIFA, I was referring to Horseshoe Theory in regards to ANTIFA and the Proud Boys both acting similar but different.

actually you can assume everyone is oppressed, it’s really easy. you just have to know some basic information about the society we live in.

people on opposite ends of the political spectrum don’t believe in similar things. the purpose of horseshoe theory is to incorrectly suggest that they do, thereby equating the oppressed with their oppressors. it’s political sophistry and it’s not accurate.

But I am Libertarian-Conservative, yet do believe that the problem with poor neighborhoods mainly comprised of African Americans are due to white people in the past, but to assume that it is because of people now erases the deep roots this problem has.

You also forget the fact that white people can be as diverse as people of color, anything less is racism, honestly, just because skin tones are on the lighter side doesn’t mean that white people comprise a huge chunk of Europe and come from many different places of origin

not at all, obviously i know that. the idea of whiteness is constructed for the express purpose of upholding white supremacy – and for that matter, making white supremacy possible in the first place. which people count as “white” and which don’t has changed over time as people’s racist biases have shifted. irish people are white now, yet weren’t in the segregated america of a century ago, for example.

Ohhhh, I was talking about Portland

Well, to be honest it is a perfect representation of Horseshoe theory.

Horseshoe theory is the theory that people on the opposite sides of the political spectrum tend to believe in the same things, except with their own spin on said thing, that is why you can see both far-right and far-left using violence to shut down opinions they don’t like

I’m curious… what’s the definition of Fascism?

fascism is when you enjoy stonetoss, and the more you enjoy stonetoss the fascister it is

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