yes thank you!

yeah i know irony wasn’t the point of your comment. i’m trying to make it the point of your comment, because your comment was terrible. this “both sides” rhetoric is bullshit and you know it. violence against fascism is fundamentally good and should be encouraged, since it’s, y’know, against fascism.

“if i stand with everything hitler stood for, except for the defining characteristics of fascism, the thing that hitler stood for, because instead i’m staunchly opposed to those things and am in fact fighting against those who intend to bring them about, would that make me less of a nazi?”

yes. obviously.

you looked up the dictionary definition of fascism and then threw it away to make a nonsensical argument????

Look up the definition of fascism, fascism is, by dictionary definition, a right wing, nationalistic, and authoritarian form of government, you seem to get that part right, but you fail to realize that just because you don’t tolerate the views of someone, doesn’t mean you get to use violence on them, no matter how bad you may think their world view is…, while the general use is someone who is right wing and has intolerable viewpoints, what you forget is that fascists also seek to control what others say in order to push out dissenters, I don’t see these so called “Neo-Nazis” doing that, in fact many “Neo-Nazis” are in support of free speech, which by definition makes them not fascist as they welcome other viewpoints and don’t use violence or shut people out in order to silence opinions.

That makes you, in turn the fascist, as you seek to use violence to punish dissenters, and to control the populace through violence, fear, and punishment, it doesn’t matter if you are Far-Left, you can still be a fascist as you seek to use violence to further your political goals,/ I wonder who else did that /? But you still want to call us the fascists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

I don’t see any ethnic cleansing being carried out by Trump supporters, or should I say “Fascists” by your logic

What? Deporting people who have came into this country illegally? Even I see why we shouldn’t be supporting people who didn’t come here legally, and I am Libertarian Conservative,

I may be right leaning on economic issues, but I certainly am in favor of foreign aid efforts, which is something many liberals support by the way

But the American dream should be only offered to people who come here LEGALLY, I am pretty sure Trump supporters right now don’t care if you are Latino or come from Mexico, if you came here legally, nobody would care, but if you came here illegally and are assaulting Trump supporters for wearing MAGA hats in a bar, then wonder why you get deported when it is discovered you came here illegally (look it up, this happened), that is on you!

… Then why aren’t we in anarchy right now? Laws work because people agree to work under them, in order for that to happen your government must be a fair government, why do you think that many fascist regimes either died or are super violent to their own citizens?

? Last time I checked our opinions and our personal freedoms aren’t being squashed by armed soldiers putting us in death camps for speaking our minds, where do you live? North Korea?

Stop ignoring the question, does somebody’s political views make it tolerable for violence to be enacted upon them? Yes or no

Then you are the the reason more and more kids are going through “Nazi Phases” nowadays, because the new counter-culture has become the far-right

Then why do Democratic professors outnumber Republican professors 10 to 1 if “fascism is heavily encouraged”

Do you think Democrats can be “fascists” in your terms?

Alright then, nice to see you don’t let bias consume your conscience, next question, do you believe potentially racist, yet non-violent views should be met with violence to shut them down?

But last time I checked, the Proud Boys only became violent after Antifa tried to go after them, they are just an evangelical group that wants to spread Christ around America, when Antifa showed up and tried to attack them, instead of pussying out they went on the offensive and kicked the shit out of them, there is videos showing Antifa being the ones who attacked first, even one where a crowd surrounded two people, that doesn’t seem like the Proud Boys were being violent, that was Antifa being violent

Ok then, who did the Proud Boys attack

Well Antifa has their own list of people they attacked,

People with racist views, Christians, (Anybody in a few cases), people of color, white people (Which can also be diverse), etc etc,

Once again, Horseshoe theory

So the people Antifa attack are the ones oppressing them is what you are saying?

People with views of white supremacy should have the same right to the floor as any other ideology, as long as they don’t engage in violent acts based on their dogma and resign themselves to civil debate, then I believe they serve as much value to political debate as anyone else.

That saying, unfortunately the Proud Boys don’t fit that definition upon further investigation, and so do Antifa, as Horseshoe theory mandates that they tend to do the same type of violent actions to people with viewpoints they don’t like.

Which is why I personally say that both should be recognized a domestic terrorist groups as they seek to control your actions through violence.

I disagree, would you say the same about a black supremacist? Those exist

But would you define someone who sees the African race as the supreme race also not civil because it is a mirror to the white supremacist who believes White people are the supreme race?

I love how I show you a legitimate viewpoint and you can’t say anything besides that,

Did you even take the time to read the article by the SPLC? Also known as the Southern Poverty Law Center?

Nice job playing yourself as you have shown to be nothing more than a person stuck in their own echo chamber not even capable of acknowledging that other viewpoints exist and have the same right to debate as you do.

What would you rather have? A wold where people are all racist/sexist/whatever, or a world where your speech is constantly monitored and you will lose everything if you so much as step out of the liberal ideology for one second? Pick your poison

The problem I have with your viewpoint is that you can’t just assume everyone is oppressed, that is literally assuming someone is worse off because of their skin color, and that is not always the case.

While some problems in ghetto areas of cities are understandably due to white people, it is unfair to assume that white people in the now are causing it, this issue has deeper roots, but assuming that means every black person in America is oppressed means your view on them is based off of their skin color.

Horseshoe theory is not meant to “equate oppressors to oppressed”, it shows that people on the opposite ends of the political spectrum tend to believe in similar things in some cases, even then I am pretty sure the topic was originally ANTIFA, I was referring to Horseshoe Theory in regards to ANTIFA and the Proud Boys both acting similar but different.

But I am Libertarian-Conservative, yet do believe that the problem with poor neighborhoods mainly comprised of African Americans are due to white people in the past, but to assume that it is because of people now erases the deep roots this problem has.

not at all, obviously i know that. the idea of whiteness is constructed for the express purpose of upholding white supremacy – and for that matter, making white supremacy possible in the first place. which people count as “white” and which don’t has changed over time as people’s racist biases have shifted. irish people are white now, yet weren’t in the segregated america of a century ago, for example.

um, no, of course we’re not ignoring these people’s plights? i literally just mentioned the segregation that irish people faced?? :/

and yeah obviously i know about antisemitism. i’m pretty sure i already said that jewish people are marginalised in this conversation.

unfortunately, the proud boys aren’t the only active fascist organisation.

Ohhhh, I was talking about Portland

Well, to be honest it is a perfect representation of Horseshoe theory.

Horseshoe theory is the theory that people on the opposite sides of the political spectrum tend to believe in the same things, except with their own spin on said thing, that is why you can see both far-right and far-left using violence to shut down opinions they don’t like

And if that is true? Why does progressive now mean “A mob of white middle class young adults brutalizing a gay asian”

Do you know who Andy Ngo is?

No, violence against your world view should be encouraged because that would be good.
It is your worldview that is wrong, hateful, evil.
The day of the rope cannot come soon enough for people like you.

yep, i absolutely don’t know! i also definitely believe that “fascister” is a real word and i certainly wasn’t making fun of you with a silly meme or anything!