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  • Fabian Gamboa

    How is this funny, I don’t get it.

    • Io Non Esisto

      It’s a jab at the obvious implications of liberals trying to defend immigrants because they “just want to work” for someone who also wants to work and can get fucked because the job market is saturated.

      • Fabian Gamboa

        Oh ok. Well if they got hired under equal oportunity and they are equal under the eye of the law as citizens then that’s just the free market doing its job.
        Is this a race thing? I ask because the immigrant is portrayed as brown and the applicant is portrayed as white.

        • Alistair Grove

          The race is situational to America, but the problem is all over the West. And it’s because increasing the number of workers lowers wages and working conditions, which only benefits the rich. Yet “the left” pushes it. I guess logical consistency is White Supremacy or something.

        • Balpa

          Praise the god (((free market))).

        • David

          It’s not that simple or pretty.
          First of all, consider that the immigrant might not be there legally. This means he will work for a much cheaper price, with no benefits and can’t even complain to the police if he is abused. There’s no way any citizen can compete with that kind of “offer”.

          Secondly, even if he came in legally, his living standards from his own country might be so low he will accept a much lower salary. Desperate men make desperate decisions, he will take the first offer he can get, not the best one. So while you’d logically expect everyone to working for the same price and thus race wouldn’t matter, the reality is that migrants will accept a lower pay just so they can actually have a job to escape their previous life. Legal citizens thankfully do not have that motivation.

          Finally, even if nothing of those other points actually happens, you still have the very simple “demand and supply” in effect in a free market.
          The more people there are running for a specific job, the less you’ll be paid for it since someone else will take it if you refuse. Inviting migrants to run for unskilled labor will end up making those jobs pay less, which affects not just the residents who worked those jobs but also the migrants that will also be paid less as well.

          It’s all sunny shine and flowers until you realize that giving an equal opportunity to everyone only works while you still have opportunities to give and those are a finite resource of which you likely don’t even own that much.
          You don’t solve poverty by re-distributing what already exists, you solve it by creating more oportunity and wealth to distribute.

        • Have you ever met a Mexican? They’re mostly brown. The further south they’re from, the darker they are.

          They are portrayed as a different race because they’re a different race.

        • 69YearsYoung

          Fuck the (((FREE MARKET)))
          Fuck all this Jewish bullshit
          Why should Whites have built America up if all their efforts are just going to be wasted on foreigners who will come in and replace them???
          In many cases you will literally be forced to TRAIN YOUR OWN REPLACEMENTS before being fired
          Not only that, but I have heard that in Silicon Valley, once there is an Indian hired to manage a team, he reassigns personnel and then hires new members until the entire team is Indian
          Whites are the only ones not allowed to care about their own group interests
          It’s time to fight back!

    • a dem literally said that migrants should mow lawns

      • Lawn mowing used to be the job of teenage boys everywhere. It’s how they made money in the summer. Now Mexicans have all the starter jobs. What are our young men to do now to build experience?

        • Albionic American

          Yeah, our futurist intellectuals apparently hate teenage boys, especially white ones. Give them self-driving cars, sex robots, junk food, porn, computer games, etc., so that they don’t have to develop their powers of agency, skills and general competency in the business of living that come from learning how to drive, how to take care of their bodies, how to form relationships with girls and how to hold jobs and build careers.

          • Alistair Grove

            Bread & Circuses. Worked then, works now, at least on the short term.

            However, sex robots are necessary in the West as most women are entitled narcissists. Besides, it’s only a matter of time before they outlaw male heterosexuality.

          • Guacamole

            You do realize that the radfems you see in the youtube compilations aren’t representative of the bulk of women don’t you? Out of all of the women you interact with irl (if any), how many of them have been men hating narcissists?

          • Alistair Grove

            Man hating? A few. Entitled narcissists? Nearly all. Which is what I said. You were the one that brought up the rad-fems. And speaking of them, they may be a minority, but they’re a powerful one and so many laws are being dictated by them. And they only get away with it because ‘normal’ women let them speak in their name. I only have time for Femras.

            And no, I’m not a misogynist. I hold most men in contempt too. At least among my class.

          • “they may be a minority, but they’re a powerful one and so many laws are being dictated by them”

            The squeaky wheel gets the grease. We need to stop being polite and start being loud and obnoxious, because it works.

          • Alistair Grove

            We? I already am? But as a man my voice means little in that regard. What we need is women to step up and do their part, unless they want to be considered the enemy.

          • And that’s why you can’t win.
            You’re actually expecting women to do your fighting for you.

          • Alistair Grove

            No, I’m expecting women to prove their worth to me. If they don’t, then they can make do with their cats. But probably not for much longer. Society won’t last much longer at this rate.

          • The worth of a woman is how many children she has born and raised to be healthy, functional adults and members of society.

            Everything else is on us men.

          • Alistair Grove

            Yeah, bollocks. Women control the moral character of society and always have. So unless you expect ‘us men’ to form a gender union and either isolate ourselves from or conquer the other gender, then you are talking shit.

            Not that I think a male union would be a bad idea, it’s just not in our nature. Even women can’t do it and they’re the more collectivist gender.

          • Jack Thompson

            “Give them self-driving cars, sex robots, junk food, porn, computer games, comic book movies, etc., so that they don’t have to develop their powers of agency, skills and general competency in the business of living that come from learning how to drive, how to take care of their bodies, how to form relationships with girls and how to hold jobs and build careers.”

            Most of those are coping mechanisms for problems created by weak schooling and bad parenting. But the resulting problem is the same. Mid 20s NEETs will be on the rise in the coming years.

  • As long as there is one American man unemployed, we don’t need any immigrants.

    • Tamás Polgár

      What about workforce shortages? Doctors and nurses or software engineers, for example.

      • We produce more software engineers than we can employ. There are no shortages. What is happening is that asshats in corporate HR departments discovered they can import semi-competent third world peasants for a fraction of the cost of hiring talented Americans. Of course, the quality of their work sucks, but who cares, as long as this quarter’s profits go up?

        This is how you get Boeing airliners falling out of the sky.

        Doctors and nurses? We don’t import nurses. We train plenty of them every year. (We would make more, but some idiots decided that forcing young women to be incompetent engineers was more important.) We do import doctors, but that’s only because the AMA decided to act like a medieval guild, and limit the total number of teaching hospitals to restrict the flow of new doctors into the field. Did you know that there are fewer medical programs now than there were 40 years ago? Oh, and most of these foreign doctors are just barely competent – and that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt.

        • Tamás Polgár

          As for sw engs, I am one from Eastern Europe, although I went to Canada, not the US. 90% of the job ads I see are US companies offering remote employment. Most of the time I work with other Eastern Europeans. Hardly third world peasants. There was indeed a time when woke smartasses tried to fill all vacancies with Indians and Pakis, but that didn’t really work – there were quality issues, to put it politely.

          As for doctors and nurses, a medical diploma still immediately buys you a US green card, provided it’s compatible with the American system.

          • “There was indeed a time when woke smartasses tried to fill all vacancies with Indians and Pakis”

            You mean like last week?

            “Most of the time I work with other Eastern Europeans. Hardly third world peasants.”

            Good try, but I’ve been to Eastern Europe. It’s a fun place to visit, but there’s a reason why people like you are leaving in droves.

        • Ijustmadethis Jejhd

          More than half the doctors I come into contact with are foreigners, and usually they suck. I dont know how we can allow immigrants with Phd’s from 3rd world countries like India to come over here and fuck up our medical system.

      • Allison Kaas

        yeah dude jose and jesus are jumpin the face and going to nursing school lmao

        • Tamás Polgár

          Obviously not, but *all* immigrants include them too.

          • Painting Guardian

            highlighting the 2 people out of a hundred thousand that can even get into medical school in the first place as an example of why we need a hundred thousand street sweepers taking away jobs from native citizens is an extremely jewish form of argumentation.

          • Tamás Polgár

            I’m quite far from any kind of kikery. Just wanted to point out that you must distinguish between different immigrants.

          • Zon Kuthon

            Not good enough. Everyone goes back to their starting area and starts over. End of.

          • TRVTH

            Really gets the old noggin joggin, doesn’t it?

          • Allison Kaas

            Not one single brown person has ever done anything important in the history of Earth

    • Taha Ghassemi

      What if that American is an incompetent bum and the immigrants are highly competent?

      • America has more than one worker.

        Stay home and make #wherever great. I would say ‘again’, but, well…

      • Sputnikcer

        Your strawman is a strawman. There are millions of American workers who are competent and want jobs, but don’t have them. To say otherwise is a slap in the face to unemployment rates.

  • That’s conservatives vs capitalism

  • Guy

    What I’ve experienced here is that immigrants are just taking the jobs nobody else wants to do.

    • Simon Alt2

      Yep. And no one has the guts to build the goddamn wall.

    • Holyphonic

      It may have something to do with the fact that whites who live generally just one couple and their children to a home instead of 12+ can’t do so on a job that pays minimum wage like we could back in the 70s before “diversity”.

    • Like the chicken plant where after the immigration raid, 3 Americans applied for every job opening.

      • Albionic American

        My hillbilly grandmother worked in a chicken processing plant in Arkansas back in the 1970’s. Now Mexicans and Marshall Islanders have come in to fill those jobs. Did Arkansas run out of hillbillies or something?

        • TRVTH

          The companies bring them in and pay them minimum wage, often with big portions of their wages paid by Uncle Schlomo as “Vocational Rehabilitation Tax Credits” for felons, the feebleminded, and the insane. The companies also help the Mexicans buy buying blackmarket Social Security numbers for them from every shady and illegal source–yes, this is called “identity theft,” no, they’re hardly ever prosecuted for it, because too many (((important people))) would lose money if they didn’t have their Third World sub-minimum-wage labor–then signing up Pablo and Conchita for El Guelfare for their eleven kids. And the nice lady at the Guelfare office signs Pablo and Conchita up to vote Democrat.

    • yeah somebody got to clean the toilets and sewers and disgusting stuff

      • Alistair Grove

        We have native born low-skilled workers.

        • not cheap thou

          • Alistair Grove

            So? Are you against paying workers a fair wage? Do you view foreigners as underclass to be exploited for cheap labour? That’s very elitist and racist of you.

    • 69YearsYoung

      Watch this Al Jazeera documentary on skilled South Koreans foolishly leaving their own country to come to Korean enclaves in America and you will see that all an employer has to do is say “I tried to hire locals but couldn’t find any” and then they can get visas to pay foreigners minimum wage. It’s disgusting capitalism.

      (love your avatar btw; it’s Green Version Mewtwo right?)

    • Jesher

      That’s not a good argument imo. If people aren’t taking these jobs, then the amount these jobs pay should increase to match their demand for a limited supply of workers.

      Using cheap foreign labor undercuts that and ultimately benefits the corporation the most. Meanwhile the foreign worker is exploited for less than he’s worth, and the legal citizen gets nothing or has to compete for less.

      It’s a race to the bottom. You wouldn’t do it to people you care about.

      • T4M3R

        This isn’t how economics works.

        The labor market is not fixed. More workers also means more employers.

        Wages will still rise.

        • Alistair Grove

          Eventually, yes. But in the short-term it will fuck over those at the bottom. Who will always be the majority of society.

          • T4M3R

            The long term is more important.

            When immigrants have settled and adapted, they become a net positive for the country.

          • Alistair Grove

            In the long term, Communism will bring about a Utopia.
            See why long term thinking is dangerous?

            Also, some immigrants are deliberately not integrating, forming mini colonies that are at war with the rest of the country. The Pakistanis in Britain, for example. Reducing numbers coming in will make them doing this harder, if not impossible.

          • Drew W

            In the short term Communism brings equity, in long term Communism brings about mass starvation. Communism’s problem isn’t that it doesn’t think about the short or the long term, its problem is it expects people to act against their individual interests.

            Border control has a similar issue. As long as economic pressure exists people will immigrate, the legality has little to do with it. If you don’t want un-assimilated immigrants then let them come in legally.

          • Alistair Grove

            Not true, I’m afraid. Just look at the absolute state of the UK. The Pakistanis came her legally but that didn’t stop them from forming there own communities, with their own laws, where they don’t speak English and, the worse part, where all the rape gangs are coming from.

            Uncontrolled immigration will destroy a country.

          • Drew W

            The UK is the example of an open economy that we’re using?

          • Alistair Grove

            Why not? It’s a valid example of the dangers of uncontrolled immigration.

          • Drew W

            No, it’s an example of oppressive government though.

          • Alistair Grove

            It’s an example of both. Tyrant love the foreigner after all, or however that saying goes.

          • TRVTH

            White and East Asian immigrants, maybe.

            Negroes have been here four hundred years. We’re still waiting for them to assimilate and start pulling their weight. The Mexican invaders are likewise a net drain on the economy forever once they show up.

          • TRVTH

            White immigrants. Not illiterate IQ-55 Mestizogoblins.

        • TRVTH

          Supply and demand say “hi there.”

          Also, overall wages can only rise if productivity rises, not only overall but per capita. IQ-55 wetbacks do not produce nearly as much per capita as White workers. Anywhere. Ever. Even prior to the advent of the modern welfare state in the 1960s wetbacks disproportionately consumed societal resources and were in the aggregate a liability in the US, not an asset.

          • T4M3R

            Productivity rises as well though.

            Hispanic immigrants work hard, they are desperate for a good life.

            Also, don’t blacks have the lowest unemployment ever?

          • TRVTH

            No, it really doesn’t. This has been empirically demonstrated. The Information Age economy the “experts” say the US has now, has no need and no place for illiterate IQ-55 Third World peasants who don’t even speak English.

            Low IQ, laziness, and violence are the reason Third World countries–the ones we not so long ago called “the backward parts of the world”–are the way they are. Standing on the Magic Dirt does not turn them into sober, hard-working Lutherans. As others have noted, the human capital their people represent has a big fat minus sign in front of it.

            Round ’em up and ship ’em back. Anything else is treason.

    • TRVTH

      “Nobody else wants to do” those jobs because they pay almost nothing–because the invaders will work for almost nothing, and (((businessmen))) take advantage of that.

      Lolbertarians love to talk about the wonders of “muh free markets” but they get vapor lock if you suggest getting rid of the wetback invaders and letting the market fix the wage problem with those jobs.

  • Drew W

    If you were a libertarian you wouldn’t care.

    Free market means a free workforce.

    • UncleSam13

      Great! It also means no welfare state.

    • Libertarianism means not being able to say no to pedophiles, cannibals, and heroin dealers. Libertarians are individuals in a world ruled by tribes.

      Libertarianism, like Leftism, denies that reality exists. It is a house of cards waiting for the first faint puff of breeze to collapse.

      • Albionic American

        American libertarianism came from people who had comfortable lives after the Second World War. Ayn Rand, for example, made plenty of money from her novels and from selling the film rights to The Fountainhead, yet she spent her career whining about how taxes and regulations on business oppressed her. She might have had a rough start in life when her family got caught up in the Russian Revolution during her youth, but she spent her latter years with a full stomach, $100,000 or so in the bank and the comforts of late 20th Century American civilization. Materially she had nothing to complain about.

        Even more the case for David Nolan, the crank who founded the American Libertarian Party. He grew up comfortably middle class, he went to MIT, and he had the luxury of graduating with a degree in political science, instead of something objectively useful in a STEM field. Yet he contrived grievances against Richard Nixon’s brief attempt at enforcing wage and price controls to deal with inflation as the rationalization for founding the Libertarian Party, even though no American suffered from privations because of Nixon’s action.

        Basically libertarianism tends to attract spoiled, affluent people who don’t appreciate how good they already have it.

        • Simon Alt2

          Couldn’t have put it better myself

          • Drew W

            Yeah? He didn’t put it vert well.

        • Drew W

          Ayn Rand was a self proclaimed Objectivist.

          David Nolan was a politician, why would he need a STEM degree? He was upper class, like most politicians, and opposed the Vietnam war and Nixon’s general liberalism.

          • Albionic American

            Rand published Atlas Shrugged in 1957, when America enjoyed full employment, rising real wages and government programs which improved Americans’ lives. Again, what did she and the younger people who converted to libertarianism under her influence really have to complain about?

          • Drew W

            Look at you moving those goalposts. I noticed you abandoned all of your other points too when they turned out to be lies.
            Rand started writing her book in 1943. I wander which government oriented ideologies might have influenced her views at the time.

          • 69YearsYoung

            Libertarianism is JEWISH
            Mises, Rand, Rothbard, Friedman, Kokesh, etc. …
            Capitalism is JEWISH
            Invented by the Jew David Ricardo
            Communism is JEWISH
            Invented by the Jew Karl Marx
            ALL of these are systems of MATERIALISM and are spiritually bankrupt
            We need NATIONALISM, a THIRD POSITION
            Faith
            Family
            Folk
            Built on a solid foundation of Natural Law!
            FINO ALLA VITTORIA

          • SalvadorZombie

            Yikes. Imagine being so broken-brained that you actually think this unironically.

          • TRVTH

            Imagine being so brainwashed, programmed, and mind-controlled that you can’t see self-evident truth when it’s right in front of you. But that’s what it’s like to be an NPC.

          • The free market is human, as practiced by every people since the dawn of time. People trading for goods and services is natural law.

            Nationalism doesn’t put bread on the table. It just makes sure the home and the family are safe. Which is equally as important.

          • 69YearsYoung

            Yeah, and basically ZERO ‘Libertarian’ communities have ever successfully existed as well.
            Do you worship Ayn Rand or something?
            Study Distributism (Catholic economic philosophy of G. K. Chesterton) and get back to me.

          • TRVTH

            The US prior to 1933 was very Libertarian in the current sense. We had several generations, a much better run than some societies get. Even Lincoln seizing power, suspending habeas corpus, and ruling for five years as a dictator couldn’t derail all of it.

          • Drew W

            Give me a break you racist bootlicker.

          • 69YearsYoung

            >Using ‘racist’ and ‘bootlicker’ as insults
            It’s not 2011 anymore dude
            Enjoy your dragqueen story hour

          • Drew W

            It’s Americans pushing stuff like that, not immigrants.

          • 69YearsYoung

            Jewish “Americans” who should be PURGED.
            When your expelled from 109 different communities as Jews have been, maybe it’s not ALWAYS the other guys’ fault, eh?
            Same thing as in the Weimar Republic:

          • jeremy_hh

            LOL!
            move to Yemen with that fundamentalist bullsh*t.

          • Taha Ghassemi

            I find it hilarious when people say that both capitalism and communism are Jewish.

        • The few libertarians I have encountered in life and online all come from the same background. That is ex welfare queens who are used to getting everything handed to them by another person with little to no work required, be it the state or mommy and daddy that does it.

          The moment however when they get their first paycheck and see how much they have to pay to keep the system going they throw a massive hissy fit and demand that the system be changed so they can keep all their money for themselves.

      • Drew W

        Haha, dude. Libertarians advocate minimal involvement, not zero involvement. Screen for criminals, not to shape markets. Markets shape themselves.

        • Put twenty libertarians in a room, and get the to agree on a definition of ‘criminal’.

          We’ll sit back with popcorn and watch.

          • Alistair Grove

            Easy. Anyone who violates the NAP is a criminal.

          • Drew W

            Agreed

          • Drew W

            Works for twenty people of any ideology, that’s kind of our point.

      • slither16

        But at least it stops the left from saying “no” to us.

        • That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen in quite a while.

  • Rick Sanchez

    Each illegal immigrant that takes a job cuts off a citizen that wanted that job. Sure illegal immigrants want to work because they want to send money back home to bring in more relatives.

    • UnforcastedStorm

      Companies hire illegal labor and allow it to proliferate, so. If anything they are the ones to blame, not the immigrants themeslves.

    • SuperSeal

      Leave the blame to the company for hiring illegal migrants, they know they can pay cheap for alot.

    • RhapsodyInCrimson

      Not necessarily. A larger workforce, illegal or not, just means better style of living, which in turn makes more jobs. Why would you turn away a massive work force? It’s good for business? We just need to make them legal

      • TRVTH

        If you wish to live in a Brazilian favela, nothing’s stopping you. I do not, however, want the Brazilian favela to come to me.

  • T4M3R

    Then how come unemployment is so low in the West right now?

    • Government cooking the books after redefining “unemployment”.

    • TCC

      It’s not. Maybe lower than during the recession, but it’s hardly “low”.

  • Guacamole

    So are they taking jobs or are they being lazy welfare leeches?

    • Alistair Grove

      Some do one. Some do the other. They are a collection of individuals, after all.

    • Embrace the healing power of AND.

    • TCC

      Juans gets a job.
      His wife Paula, and their six kids, go down to the welfare office and say “Juan works, but can’t afford to feed all of us”, get welfare money, then have six more kids at taxpayer’s expense.

      • UnforcastedStorm

        They can get welfare even if they’re not US citizens? That souds more like an issue with the US law than with immigrants.

  • Taha Ghassemi

    Then try harder. No one owes you a job. Don’t you see that the reverse is also true: that by restricting immigration, you are depriving the immigrant of that job? So who should get the job? Whomever the employer chooses.

    • You are Not a Victim

      I can tell you’re raised by a welfare state and have never worked a day in your life.

  • Someonekul

    wait, why would you be mad at the immigrant and not the person who fired you? and if you need a job and that dude took it, you probably should have unionized so that wouldn’t have happened. or just make your own buisseness. I hear the free market is a great way to get rich.

    • Alistair Grove

      Oh yes, because it is so easy to pull a small business out of your arse! It’s not like the government will fuck you seven ways to Sunday with their regulations. Or that the banks are legally entitled to a pound of your flesh. And that’s not going into the fact that not everyone has what it takes to run a business.

      As for your other points, why not be mad at both? And the politicians that allow mass migration too. All our accountable for the problem to some extent. And not everyone can join a union, at least a good one.

  • Who cares if Americans are starving and dying out on the street?

    Evolution.

    Family should have helped each other out more.

    Hispanics are willing to cover for rapists/murderers if they’re simply the same race.

    Europeans don’t, because they have higher standards, which is why they have a high quality of life and people flee to these countries to take advantage of welfare.

    • TRVTH

      This comment really aged well.

  • Santi Formento

    I fucking hate when someone claims no american is willing to do maintenance or janitorial work, its fucking retarded. Even my parents think that. My dad claims that it is offensive that I call him a liberal because apparently he decided that what he believes does not label him liberal even though most of his political ideas are very liberal. He aint too bad, and I was able to convince my parents that AR 15s are amazing and useful. They do actually hate Beto and Sanders at least, but its a long way to go before I can convince them that the democrats are just socialists now.

  • Zarvia Khaldera

    Open borders are for slave labor and reducing wages.

  • TRVTH

    The Boeing 737 is now getting all new flight systems control software produced 100% in India, at pennies on the dollar. It’s enough to make you want to ride on a bus instead.

  • TRVTH

    Apple has outsourced their software dev for both iOS and Mac OS to India. Remember what a dumpster fire iOS 13 was? Remember what a dumpster fire Mac OS 10.15 “Catalina” was? They’re STILL pushing out constant patches to fix all the problems with both of them. “Outsourced to India” is the “Made in China” of software engineering. Not, mind you, that Pajeets who have managed to worm their way into the US as H1Bs with their phony cram-school credentials are any better at it.

    The Australians have a saying. “When you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.”

  • T4M3R

    Blame capitalism, not workers.

    • TRVTH

      (((capitalism)))

    • Zon Kuthon

      You mispelled Jews.

  • T4M3R

    Money is the root of all evil.

    You should read up more about communism. It’s not what you thought it was.

    • Zon Kuthon

      You again mispelled Jews.

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