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  • TCC

    Where did Quixotes run off to, I wonder?
    He asked me if I could name anybody killed by Antifa, and I’ve got nine for him.

    • Quixotes2

      Rightist murderers outnumber leftist murderers 50:1, it hardly compares.

      Putting that aside, if Antifa gets declared a terrorist “””””organization”””””” it’s McCarthyism 2.0. Antifa is not a group, it’s a loose label. The government would get to decide who is a “””member””” completely arbitrarily. I’m sure you’d be up in arms about the “Far Right” as a collective being labelled a prosecutable terrorist group, yet because you’re a hypocrite and a
      coward you’re in support of making the government go after the politically inconveinient rather than engaging in the “free marketplace of ideas (TM)”

      And don’t even try comparing Milo being removed from Twitter or whatever to McCarthyism, a private company can do what they want with their shitty platform, the government is not to be trusted to prosecute ANYONE for political views unless they’re in a actual terrorist group.

      • A Snake With Bread

        source?

      • TCC

        lol

        I can’t tell if this is a troll filling in for Quixotes, or him at some desperate attempt at damage control.

        Regardless, IF the things a person identifies as matters (as the shooter did indeed identify with Antifa), and IF we are to assume the worst of all assumed people accused of crimes, this still puts Antifa’s deaths (at nine) and the alt-right’s deaths at one (in the case of James Holmes).
        You can’t simply label every person who doesn’t trust Muslims, and doesn’t like America’s effectively open borders immigration policy, as “alt right”, or even “far right”.

        So no, not “50:1”, but rather “1:9”, unless you want to throw together loosely affiliated political parties together. If that’s the case though, I’d like to throw in radical Islam’s deaths in with the left, considering how desperately liberals try to defend/cover them up.

        • mynameiscat

          He also identified as a man, but we aren’t calling all men terrorists. Why? Because he didn’t do the shooting in the name of the male gender. Nor did he do it in the name of Antifa.

          • Jackson Peds

            If I smoke but I did not smoked in the name of smoking and get lung cancer is smoking to blame for my lung cancer or no?

          • mynameiscat

            Your statement implies that mass shootings are directly connected to Antifa. That doesn’t make sense.

          • Jackson Peds

            Demonstratively false, the killer was sporting Antifa clothing and paraphernalia, ergo he was antifag.

          • Ups1dedomn

            Dude. Don’t conflate gender with ideology. One is chosen, the other is either genetic or a mentally ill person.

            Also, lets not debate wethether ideas are chosen or if ideas victimize people…

          • mynameiscat

            I’m not saying gender and ideology are the same. I’m saying that just because he was a leftist doesn’t mean the shooting was for leftism. Just as he didn’t commit the shooting in the name of any of the multitude of other traits he had, such as gender.

            Calling it Antifa kills is dishonest. It’s painting a false narrative by cherrypicking information without any of the context.

          • Ups1dedomn

            He did it for reasons derived from his apprehension of the world and his ideal for the world. He is in antifa because of his apprehension of the world and his ideal for the world.

          • Quixotes2

            Sorry dude, that’s not an apt metaphor.

          • mynameiscat

            Fine, I’ll concede that.

      • You are Not a Victim
    • Blackbeard

      Argh, you summoned it!

      • Quixotes2

        Dab on them libtards so hard your neck snaps, pl0x.

        • TCC

          Glad to see you’re so willing to reduce your fellow human beings as mere “vermin”.
          That explains why you’re so willing to defend Antifa.

          • Quixotes2

            You’re only vermin for your cowardly political tactics: you can change that anytime.

            A non-white cannot become white (well, unless the political insitutions benefit from them being declared “white”. See: Irish and Italian Immigrants). A homosexual cannot become heteronormative.

            My definition of “vermin” is flexible and built on a
            person’s choices, yours is based on conditions of birth.

          • TCC

            I don’t call people vermin. I call people just that… people.

            I don’t mistreat people for being illegal immigrants, or being nonwhite, or any other shit besides, as you say, “a person’s choices”.
            Like the Antifa members you fervently defend, however, you’ve resorted to putting words into my mouth, in lieu of any actual argument addressing anything I’ve said.
            But please, accuse me more of “cowardly political tactics”, hypocrite.

            Also, no:
            I’ve never been given evidence that the Irish/Italians were considered nonwhite. We had stereotypes and caricatures about them, the same as we do any group of people.
            The Irish are stereotype drunks and wifebeaters, the Italians are fat gangsters, the French are cowardly snobs who hate bathing, and white Americans are fat, gun-addicted morons who love Jesus and hate everyone else.

            By this stupid logic of yours, white people don’t believe in the existence of white people.
            God, you’re painfully stupid…

          • Quixotes2

            Irish and Italians were basically seen the same way Jews are now: Sure, they have a similar pigment but they’re not “””real””” whites. Their discrimination was relatively short lived, due to being even more similar in appearance than White Jews.

            Honestly, I may have been jumping the gun, given that you use basically.. all of the language associated with the more “overt” people here. What do you think being “Alt-Right” means and why do you identify with it?

            >white people don’t believe in the existence of white people.
            That doesn’t follow my claim at all. My claim is that what defines who is “white” is largely based on political conveinence. “Whiteness” exists just about as much as “Blackness”; which is to say hardly at all.

          • TCC

            Once again, you’re pulling shit out of your ass.
            Irish and Italians have never been excluded from being white (get a source if you want to argue against this; stereotypes and caricatures don’t count). The only reason Jews can be considered an “other” category, with divided opinion as to whether they’re white or not, is because they choose to identify as being an outlier group, and always have. Read the Torah if you don’t believe me; it’s a cultural and religious practice that they’ve always had.

            Being alt-right, in essence, is being a white nationalist… another term people think they know the meaning of, but don’t.

            White: If you’re in a racial group, you have racial interests. “Black Lives Matter”, for example, covers the interests of all black people, rather than splitting hairs on who’s African-American, Liberian, Zimbabwean, etc. They all share a racial category, and all share in its interests, whether they want to or not.

            Nationalist: Anyone who is a nationalist believes in the validity of a certain identity group (cultural, ethnic, racial, etc.) and seeks to uphold in.
            In most levels, everyone is a nationalist for some racial group or another. No one denies the idea that rights should be able to represent and uphold their own interests, so tentatively, most people are black nationalists.
            Everyone has interests… including white people.

            To sum it up, being a white nationalist means that you recognize the issues that white people have (namely receding populations and mounting anti-white sentiments) and seek to resolve them.
            People have different ideas as to how this works: Richard Spencer wants to establish a state in which white people can move and replenish their numbers, and Jared Taylor wants a willing separation of states between those who want to live in all-white communities, all black/hispanic/asian communities while leaving room where people can willingly live in mixed communities.

            I know that the media is full of shit when they talk about the alt-right because of their persistent misuse of the term “Nazi”. Taylor and Spencer are prominent leaders of the alt-right, but they’ve never espoused violence, forced sterilization, death/labor camps, anti-semitism, or anything but voluntary agreements between whites and nonwhites. All of these things are core to past Nazi actions and ideology, but they’re absent from the alt-right’s.
            The most anyone’s had was some asshole showed up at Charlottesville with a swastika flag, and some asian ex-porn star made a Nazi salute at Spencer’s rally.

          • Martin

            Everyone, even normies, is painfully aware that the alt-right as a movement was subverted from the moment it was created. It’s only purpose was to give the image of regular right wingers as being crazy and unhinged (cough cough Charlottesville).
            It doesn’t help that you get called “Literally Hitler” if you say some simple shit like “I love being white”(you also risk being doxxed and fired for that too, btw).

    • mynameiscat

      No, you don’t. The Dayton shooter was not politically motivated.

      • TCC

        Assuming you’re right (no reason to believe you are) then suddenly, there are no political mass shooters.

        Having gripes with other political groups, to the point that you’re calling for others to kill “Nazis” on social media, isn’t evidence of political motivation behind violence. Evidence isn’t evidence anymore.
        Maybe now you guys will shut the hell up and stop collectively blaming white people/conservatives every time someone guns someone down.

        Hell, you tried to blame the “homophobia” of white America after the Orlando shooting. Priceless.

        • mynameiscat

          No one says kill nazis. Murder as suppression of opposing opinions is innately fascist. Thus, you cannot be an Antifascist if you kill people or encourage killing people.

          Right wing shooters often cite their political views as the reason for the shooting. That would be what it means to be a political mass shooter. The Dayton shooter did not do this. He actually killed his family first, which is very uncharacteristic of political mass shootings as well.

          Something you should know, both Antifa and the left wing are majority comprised of straight white men. That’s just how it is. So obviously we aren’t blaming white people. We’re blaming anyone who hates people based on something they were born with.

          I don’t know much about the Orlando shooting so I have no comment.

          • TCC

            “No one says kill Nazis”
            The Dayton shooter did, as do Antifa. Which makes sense, considering that he was a member.

            “Murder as suppression of opposing opinions is innately fascist. Thus, you cannot be an Antifascist if you kill people or encourage killing people.”
            If that’s how you want to define ‘fascist’, then alright then.
            But that’s what Antifa calls for: violence against “fascists”. Probably because, by your definition, they’re massive hypocrites, and you’re probably putting the “No True Scotsman” fallacy into play.

            “Right wing shooters often cite their political views as the reason for the shooting.”
            So a right winger shooting people for their politics is a political killing, but the killing apparently ceases to be political if the shooter was a leftist.
            Not even trying to hide your double standards.

            “Something you should know, both Antifa and the left wing are majority comprised of straight white men. That’s just how it is. So obviously we aren’t blaming white people.”
            You, personally, might not be blaming white people, but others certainly are. Others with the power to influence the masses and shove their opinions in everyone’s faces (despite the majority of American murderers being black).
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/06/get-grip-white-people-were-not-victims/
            https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2019/08/05/el-paso-dayton-guns-steve-almond

            The Orlando shooting had a gay, Democrat muslim man of Middle Eastern descent shooting up a nightclub in Orlando.
            49 people were killed before he took his own life. It was one of the worst mass shootings in American history, and it got substantially less coverage than the weekend’s shootings, despite leading to more deaths.

  • Cyberman

    Antifa is evil plain and simple

    • Quixotes2

      Milk up those upvotes

      • Pat Mace

        Choke on some man muscle you pond scum.

        • Quixotes3

          we’re at the point where “no u” is an appropriate response

          No u, btw.

    • mynameiscat

      Antifa is just the movement of being anti-fascist. Are you pro-fascist? If so, what the hell?

      • Cyberman

        Except Antifa are literally fascist

        • mynameiscat

          How?

          • Cyberman

            They want take away our basic human rights and replace our republican government with a communist dictatorship. Communism is fascism with a different name

          • mynameiscat

            No, they don’t. Where did you get that idea? It sounds like you’re lying to make them sound bad so that people will agree with you.

          • Cyberman

            they are bad, they literally going around beating people up and even killing them. The Dayton shooter was an Antifa member you fucking brainlet.

          • mynameiscat

            The Dayton shooter was not an Antifa member you fucking brainlet. He loosely associated with Antifa and was on the left spectrum of politics. Anyone who is a mass shooter is automatically not Antifa, because that goes against the fundamental movement that is Antifa.

            There are a select few people who do morally incorrect things in the name of Antifa. That doesn’t make Antifa a communist-fascist-jewish-satanist terrorist organization. Just as the Trump-supporting mass shooters don’t make the Republican party a terrorist organization. Either neither of them or both of them are terrorist organizations. Decide.

          • TCC

            “loosely associated with Antifa”

            lol
            Hitler wasn’t a Nazi, but he associated with Nazism.

            No one’s buying your bullshit.

          • SalvadorZombie

            Actually, he wasn’t. He had left-leaning ideologies, but if you remember, they’re still investigating why he did it. And he had zero connection to any organized anti-fascist group. (Reminder, “Antifa” is not a structured organization. It’s an ideology. Anti-fascist.)

            Whereas, the El Paso shooter actually had a manifesto, and it directly linked his shooting to his extremist-right ideology.

            So – zero deaths from Antifa, several hundred from far-right white Christian terrorists.

            It’s almost as if you’re completely and totally full of shit. Hmmmm.

          • Cyberman

            If antifa isn’t responsible for any deaths, then neither are far-right Christians responsible for any deaths.

          • SalvadorZombie

            Explain, manchild?

          • TCC

            “Antifa members haven’t committed any murders, because the Antifa mass murderer didn’t leave a letter before he died.”
            lol

          • SalvadorZombie

            Antifa members haven’t committed any murders, because the shooter literally had zero connections to Antifa.

            Try again, snowflake.

          • TCC

            Except for his social media connections, explicitly tying him to antifa and the far left in general.
            https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-connor-betts-may-have-supported-leftist-ideas-on-shadow-twitter-account/

          • Samaritan

            Shut up faggot

          • Cyberman

            oh wow, I’m so offended. You really got me. /s

        • Nogger White

          Neither Antifa, nor the people and movements they call “fascist”, are fascist. Not literally, not figuratively.
          Fascism is the revolutionary, futuristic and corporativist movement to join the former Italian colonies with their motherland under the Duce. So…

          The overuse and abuse of the “fascism” label has rendered it as worthless as the “racist” label. The modern usage stems from soviet era communist propaganda and making ideological enemies into non-persons – all dissidents were “fascists”, the Berlin wall was “the anti-fascist bulwark”, et c.

          I suggest people say “totalitarian” instead if that’s what you mean. Then at least you cover what you probably dislike that is or was common between “German fascists” (really national socialists), “red fascists” (really communists), “islamofascists” (islamists), and SOME of today’s “white supremacists”/alt-right and paleocons.

          Antifa is totalitarian. And communist, and violent, and a shitload of other shitty things.

          • mynameiscat

            Fascism is a vague label, I’ll concede that.

            Antifa isn’t totalitarian or communist though, don’t lie about them. And the vast majority of Antifa isn’t violent. Labeling all of Antifa terrorists because of a few individuals would be like banning the republican party because a few right wingers are violent. Putting ideological lines aside, we have to be fair about those sorts of things.

          • Fringe Wizard

            authoritarian would be a better word

        • Quixotes2

          *Sips monster energy*
          Ayup, individuals counter protesting fascist rallies on a local scale is basically the same as the Gestapo, checkmate libtards.

        • Thadd1an

          i don’t think Mussolini would associate with those fags

        • Meat Tenderizer

          Antifa (Anti First Amendment) are about Anti Fascist as the KKK is Anti Racist

        • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

          Antifa never committed wide scale genocide, nor participated in any mass shootings like fascists have for years, you insufferable spoon brain

          • Cyberman

            Yikes imagine replying to a 9 month comment and saying something only a retard that watches CNN would say.

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Yikes imagine thinking being a member of Antifa compares to nazi genocide and racially charged mass shootings. Explain to me, in detail, how Antifascists punching fascists is worse than fascists exterminating millions of innocent people?

          • Cyberman

            fascists haven’t killed millions of people, but commies most certainly have and antifa pushes communist ideology

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            BAHAHAHA that’s the most absolutely absurd, moronic, smooth brain take I’ve ever heard. Fascism as an ideology is literally built around demonizing Others to gain political influence, and in practice, has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people at the hands of fascist regimes. Has your mental condition deteriorated since nine months ago? so much so that you forgot about the Holocaust?

          • Cyberman

            The holocaust is a hoax

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Lmaoo you’ve already won stupid of the year award, you can stop now. I bet you think COVID is a hoax too. Hope it kills you <3

          • Cyberman

            hoes be mad

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Yea dude you are mad because you’re so wrong the more you talk the more stupid you sound, so all you can say is ‘hoes mad’ because you have no solid counterpoints, so you naturally resort to try ‘triggering the libs’ but it doesn’t work because you’ve already made such a damn fool of yourself.

          • Cyberman

            Nah, It’s not worth the effort to respond to a retard like you

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Then why are you still responding? If you’re gonna keep pretending you’re right you should at least explain why you think the Holocaust was a hoax. Humor me, please, actually though, it’s really funny how fking dumb you are

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            That’s what I thought, dimwit

          • Cyberman

            you still talking retard? wow.

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Lmao and you’re still responding to me, dipshit. And you don’t even have anything remotely logical, nuanced, or factual to argue, all you can do is cry ‘retard’ and ‘hoes mad’ because your hilariously low IQ can only come up with those two weak responses

          • Cyberman

            funny that the brainwahsed faggot that thinks the holocaust was real is calling me low iq. no really, it is funny.

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Hahahah yeah dude your IQ is lower than room temperature it is funny. Lmao you’re the one who’s been brainwashed by far right media, you’ve been so twisted and manipulated by fascist ideals that they managed to convince you, and too many others, that they didn’t commit genocide. It’s sad. You are a sad, pathetic person who will never have any real world friends if you try to rewrite history to omit the uncomfortable parts. Nobody wants to be around someone who makes up racist lies to try and trigger people. It doesn’t work, you just make a racist fool of yourself. Link me your ‘evidence’ that a major historical event like the Holocaust never happened and I will gladly link you evidence disproving your sources and providing detailed evidence of real history. I would like to take someone as asinine and ignorant as you to one of the few remaining holocaust survivors, make you hear their tragic story, make you tell them to their face that you don’t believe them. That would truly prove how empty you are inside, how absolutely devoid of knowledge, reasoning, and empathy you really are.

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR
          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            You won’t even read the wiki article because you’ve been programmed to denounce it as fake news

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            You’ve made it abundantly clear you have no education on any political ideology, including your own. But the Dunning-Krueger effect really makes you think your brain big when it’s not.

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            So, your argument as to why antifa is worse than Nazis is basically: “Nazis never killed anyone, Antifa is communist. Commie bad”
            I would expect no less from someone who thinks stonetoss is funny and nuanced

          • Cyberman

            hoes be mad because they can’t win an argument

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            HAHAHA WYM?? YOUR ARGUMENT HOLDS UP LIKE SOPPING WET PAPER

          • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

            Can’t believe your skull is still as soft as it was 9 months ago

          • The Last IHE Parody

            lol this aged poorly

      • Nogger White

        And the ideologies of the German Democratic Republic and the People’s Republic of Korea are just about being for democracy, and for people. Are you against democracy and people?

        • mynameiscat

          Communism as a dictatorship is bad, yes. Antifa does not endorse authoritarianism, and has no strong economic stance. Calling Antifa communist is a completely baseless accusation.

    • Shaun

      You are the ones for genocide

      • Cyberman

        as said by the antifa-fag

  • QuickshooterMk2
    • Lisa Mann

      Just say JEWS. Just say it, c’mon don’t pussyfoot around. Say “It’s the JEWS.” Say it out loud, c’mon, do it.

      • Chernoblyn

        Nah, just evil people,

  • Quixotes2

    I come back from a hiatus to find my original account banned. When some pedophilia pushing furry gets banned I can rationalize it but clearly his only real policy is to silence those that oppose the circlejerk. This is why /pol/ will always be INFINITELY better: same toxicity, but dissent is actually allowed. In the end, the Nazi that shrieks “FREE SPEECH!!11!” couldn’t value it any less. It is a tool; one to be cast aside once it is no longer useful.

    • Blackbeard

      Come on… be honest… you forgot your login password 😉

      • A Snake With Bread

        after all, there’s no plausible reason for him to be banned

        • Quixotes2

          I pointed out the redpanels-stonetoss connection, he is CLEARLY insecure about his persona catching up to him.

          • TCC

            Or maybe you said something ban-worthy, and you got banned.
            You DO defend Antifa, after all, a group that regularly makes death threats and promotes terrorism and overt violence.

          • Quixotes2

            I have the courtesy to not refer to Neo-Nazis and the alt-right as a collective terrorist “””group””” and you CONTINUALLY try to exploit that due to your own lack of shame. Even though there is an abundance of alt right groups and individuals, you’re not a terrorist until you kill or plan to kill people.

            Antifa is not a terrorist group, and no matter how much you insist they are it won’t become true.

          • Maxwell Macdonald

            Would you admit that some of the members of Antifa are terrorists or at least have violent intent?

          • mynameiscat

            Antifa cannot be terrorists, because terrorism goes against the core philosophy of Antifa. It would be like an Anarchist government. You can only be one or the other.

            A correct statement would be: There are some troubled individuals who self-identify as Antifa despite their contradictory violent action. Antifa rejects them from the movement, but these individuals still exist.

          • Maxwell Macdonald

            I see, fair enough. So should the real Antifa also protest against those who claim to be Antifa members and act violently?

          • TCC

            Yes, Antifa is a group. They get together and organize periodically.
            Yes, they are terrorists, as they use violence and intimidation to try to coerce political change.

            Bullshit all you like, but you’re not fooling anyone.

          • Quixotes2

            Where are these “meetings”, and why wouldn’t I know about them if they existed. You’re starting to sound like a schizo, jfc.

          • TCC

            Periodically, you have antifa showing up in large numbers, wearing black masks and hoodies, right before fighting breaks out and things get violent.
            When you meet after showing that much forethought and organization, that’s what we call a “meeting”. If you’re not aware of them, it’s probably because you’re not paying attention.

          • A Snake With Bread

            out of the loop here, what u talking about

      • Quixotes2

        Whatever you want to tell yourself

    • You are Not a Victim

      Stonetoss can’t ban you from Disqus you drooling retard. They’re separate platforms.

  • Albionic American

    When our elites treat young white men like unwanted stepchlidren, what do you think some of these guys will do?

    By contrast, in a healthy white society, young white men would see that their elders, leaders and role models value them and want to invest resources into their success. White nationalists, who promote the flourishing of normal white people in line with the humanist tradition, have by default become the only group in the country which offers to look out for white men’s interests.

    • Simon Rose

      Do you ever shut up about “young white men?” I mean, Jesus Christ, find some new material already.

      • TCC

        Young white men might collectively be the most powerful thing in the world.
        Europe and North America have more power than every other country on the planet combined, and young white men are the inheritors of it all.

        • Simon Rose

          The constant throwing around of the meaningless term “white” pisses me off. It doesn’t matter if a caucasian individual is Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, Dinaric, or East Baltic, let’s just call them white and that way we can reduce all caucasians to the same bland nothingness propogated by the disgusting coalition known as “Americans.” For that matter a “white” american could have jew blood and all of you would be fine with it.

          What’s the point in dealing with confused, culturally vacant, “white” fools who are descendants of far greater, pure European men. The fact that I even have to put the Nordic and Alpine on the same level as the others disgusts me greatly.

          • TCC

            “White” is meaningless?
            It’s a racial category. Modern people use the term “black” all the time, because we understand what it means: a group of people whose ancestors can be traced back to Sub Saharan Africa.
            We understand what “black” means, same with “asian”, and same with “native American”.

            Yet for some reason, everyone gets hyper-skeptical whenever people of European descent are brought up… it’s almost like there’s an agenda being pushed, or maybe willful ignorance…

          • Simon Rose

            Are you implying that “white” people should lower their classifications to that of the blacks? To embrace bland cultural homogenity instead of embracing what belongs to them alone?

          • Martin

            I mean…you make a valid point, but won’t it be the same deal if you write “People of european descent” instead of “whites”?
            It’s pretty much the same deal imo.

    • Quixotes2

      OR maybe you just want disgruntelled young men because they’re easy to manipulate.

      • TCC

        None have been so manipulated in the past hundred years as black Americans.
        They live in a world where political diversity doesn’t exist, and anyone who steps out of bounds is immediately called an Uncle Tom by their peers and pressured into rejoining the herd.

        Young white men are actually capable of ideological discourse and difference of opinion. That’s why they stock the ranks of both Antifa and their opponents.

    • Samaritan

      Racist moron detected

  • mynameiscat

    The shooting wasn’t politically motivated. Comics like this are quite simply dishonest, meant to paint a narrative that Antifa is bad.
    Antifa is just a movement saying don’t be fascist. Racism, antisemitism, and other forms of discrimination do nothing but degrade society.
    Don’t be fascist!

    • mynameiscat

      To the libertarian point: Antifa doesn’t attack libertarians for no reason. A real libertarian is socially progressive and economically conservative. That’s the ideology. If you’re bigoted, then you aren’t a libertarian, regardless of if you’re wearing the shirt or whatever the fuck. So by definition, Antifa has not attacked any libertarians.

      • Ups1dedomn

        Sooo… Hans Herman Hoppe is not libertarian? That’s news to a lot of people, coming from an internet voice without a face.

        • mynameiscat

          Political names change in meaning over time. Conservative, for example, used to mean keeping the status-quo. Modern conservatism is more comparable to properly defined Reactionaries than to classical conservatives. Libertarians, as of now, are socially progressive and economically conservative. That’s what the actual Libertarian party says.

          Fascism is much the same; a vague term used in context. I’ll define it though. Fascism is the ideology of dominance of the majority population while oppressing people who are different. Different people could be political dissidents, other races, intellectuals, LGBTs, religious groups (like jews), or other groups. When Antifa says they fight fascism, they are talking about this. Oppression and discrimination towards minorities and people who are different, especially if the people were born with those differences.

          • Ups1dedomn

            Part of any governmental system that sticks around is that it oppresses movements which are destructive to the system. So every governmental system that remains for any considerable length of time is fascist by your definition. Spain is fascist because they won’t let Catalonia secede. Most white nationalists only wish to move to an area, be left alone, and not have open borders. Anyone trying to stop them are fascist by your definition.

        • Quixotes2

          Fascism is ultra nationalism with a heavy emphasis on a cultural rebirth to a romanticized era. It is Culturally far right, highly authoritarian (though they do like to co-opt libertarian language superficially) and Economically variable, which is to say that Nazbol is far left economically while Anarcho-Facists (which aren’t really “Anarcho”, lol) are economically right to the same extreme as AnCaps

          • TCC

            Wait, are regurgitating the opinions of Innuendo Studios?
            No wonder why you’re so consistently wrong about everything, considering your sources are wrong about everything too.

            Here’s a tip: if you want to learn someone’s beliefs, ask them, or if they’re public figures, accept what they say publicly. Don’t simply accuse them of lying writing in your interpretation of what you want their beliefs to be.
            Political leaders can’t lie to their base. They might make empty promises, but no one who founds a movement can do so by telling everyone to march east, then immediately starts moving west themselves.

          • Ups1dedomn

            1. What the fuck is “ultra nationalism”?
            2. So paleo conservatives are fascists?
            3. What is “far right culture”?
            4. What is “highly authoritarian”?

      • TCC

        No.
        A “real libertarian” is opposed to authoritarianism, and supports political freedom and individual autonomy.
        Modern progressives don’t do that. They’d much rather force government-mandated welfare programs down everyone’s throats, and social shame anyone who steps out of line.

        Antifa is just a group of violent assholes who’d rather target unarmed working class people than those they pretend to hate (like “the 1%”).

        • mynameiscat

          Most members of Antifa are very genuine and well-intentioned. There are some who go a bit too far, physically assualting people who seem to deserve it. If you can ever find an Antifa member who attacks someone completely innocent, then they aren’t Antifa because attacking innocents would go against the fundamental principles of Antifa.

          For Libertarians, I’m using the definition provided by the Libertarian party. If you identify as Libertarian, you are assumed to support these values. If you don’t support Libertarian values, you can’t pull the Libertarian card if you’re called a nazi.

          For modern Progressives (I am one) I’ll try to lay out our ideas.
          -Freedom to do whatever so long as you aren’t hurting people (manifests in LGBT rights)
          -At least some protection from predatory corporations, like private health insurance companies
          Single-payer saves everyone money unless you choose not to have health insurance, which isn’t really a good idea
          -Maintain a capitalist market economy because meritocracy is the best way to drive innovation
          If you are discriminatory towards people based on factors they can’t control, then we don’t like you. That doesn’t really mean much though, at worst we’ll call you a nazi (and if that’s an accurate label, then I don’t see the problem).

          • TCC

            “Most members of Antifa are very genuine and well-intentioned. ”
            No they’re not. If they were, they wouldn’t have such a consistently violent history.

            “There are some who go a bit too far, physically assualting people who seem to deserve it. If you can ever find an Antifa member who attacks someone completely innocent, then they aren’t Antifa because attacking innocents would go against the fundamental principles of Antifa.”
            Antifa regularly chants/creates signs reading “make racists afraid again”, and recently, they put up posters in New York which read “Death Camps for Trump Supporters”.
            They’re consistent with their ideology, and their ideology is horrible.

            -Progressives use the legal system and social pressure whenever they can to intimidate and force change. That’s “hurting people”, and in opposition to “freedom”.
            -“Protection”? Like what? Vague. Also, no, single-payer healthcare plans don’t “save everyone money”; California tried to implement such a plan, and they’d have to double everyone’s taxes to afford it.
            -Progressives repeatedly espouse socialism, the exact opposite of meritocratic capitalism.

            You are painfully out of touch with reality. Get with the times.

    • Jackson Peds

      Antifags are commies and they ware worse fascists and murderers than nazis.

      • mynameiscat

        The fact that such an unintelligent statement gets the most upvotes really says a lot about this site.

        To directly address it: What? Antifa acts defensively against fascists. Someone who has loosely affiliated with Antifa killed some people because they were a deranged lunatic. Fascists have killed millions of people for dissenting or being different than them. Antifa isn’t communist either. There are virtually no communists left anymore.

        Next time you make a bullshit claim, try backing it up.

        • Jackson Peds

          https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/external/2019/06/JB4xf-674×483.jpg

          3rd communistic International.

          Communism has killed more than Nazism.

          Be a jewish fag elsewhere.

          • mynameiscat

            ouch, deep cutting insult with the “jewish fag” bit especially since there is nothing wrong with being jewish or homosexual

            In all seriousness though, Antifa has evolved far past Stalinism (side note, by percentage of their population nazism killed more than the soviets ever did). Stalinist-style communism has been proven horrible, so of course it is no longer supported by Antifa. Antifa is now against authoritarian communism, because of how similar that would be to fascism.

            In modern day, people of reason can take good ideas from the past while condemning bad ideas, even if historically the ideas came hand-in-hand. That’s how society moves forward, by continuing to develop the optimal form of government. That’s progress. Calling a new movement bad because older forms of it were bad is nothing but dishonest and toxic.

          • Jackson Peds

            There is everything wrong with your being a jewish fag and pretend to not be, however.

            Your first claim is unsourced, unverified, unproved, and therefore it must be assumed as false until presented with evidence to the contrary.

            Antifa, are not only support of commies, they are commies, ergo there was never a schism of communisn and antifa, like there is never going to be a schism of your lungs and your spine, one is the extension of the other.

            Can you cite me anywhere where Antifa condemns communism and socialism?

          • Quixotes2

            Communism killed more because it stuck around for much longer. Nuclear Weapons basically left the western powers’ hands tied. If the Axis powers won or if the war got cold from both sides possesing Nuclear Weapons, you can bet the death toll would equal or surpass what Russia did to their own citizens. (Not just from Nazis either, I’m sure the Japanese would also I some more “quirky” war crimes under their belt.)

            Next time don’t romanticize a genocidal regime because they killed *less* people.

          • Jackson Peds

            Wrong, the biggest mass killings of communism happened at the start of the (((Bolsevik))) regime, where more than 60 million Christians found death in the hands of the juden.

    • Simon Rose

      ter·ror·ism
      /ˈterəˌrizəm/
      noun
      the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

      Antifa:
      -Unlawfully use violence and intimidation
      -Always against civilians, especially those who can’t fight back
      -Try to violently shut down any opposing viewpoints

      Imagine unironically supporting a terrorist group.

      • mynameiscat

        Antifa:
        -disrupts alt-right rallies peacefully
        -only acts violently when in self defense, which is legal, or in extreme circumstances they PUNCH (big scary!!!) literal nazis who are just horrible human beings and are degrading society. By definition though, yes they use violence even if only in very specific circumstances. And remember, the vast majority of Antifa isn’t even violent in self-defense. Context matters.

        Imagine unironically being this ignorant.

        • Simon Rose

          Give me a fucking break, they attack anyone right of Stalin. They are dogs who assault anyone with a problematic (read: different than theirs) opinion. They’re explicitly anti-free speech and have straight up assaulted jouranlists.

          You can really see the self-defense here. You see, the journalist Andy Ngo cruelly attacked them by filming their abhorrent behavior, and they had no choice but to beat him bloody so that he wouldn’t continue his evil acts.

          Here’s another clear example of Antifa being peaceful and tolerant.

          • mynameiscat

            It’s definitely wrong what a number of self-identified Antifa members do. But you have to remember, that these are select individuals who are going against the entire philosophy of Antifascism in their actions. As I said, the vast majority of Antifascists are nothing more than that. Against fascism (arbitrary discrimination and authoritarianism). Antifa isn’t a terrorist organization, just how the Republican party isn’t a terrorist organization. The actions of a select few troubled individuals do not define the group.

          • Simon Rose

            The fact that anyone would remain a part of a group that causes such violence is nonetheless disgusting.

          • mynameiscat

            That’s a valid opinion.

          • Simon Rose

            Look, I’m going to be honest with you, leave while you still can. As I said, I’m not as extreme as most of the people here, so I’m going to tell you right now that you should leave. You are not going to find any intelligent discussion here, you’re just going to find autism and name-calling. For your sake, just go. There isn’t anything for you here. None of the people here care about any sort of intelligent or rational thought. This is basically a shittier version of /pol/

      • Quixotes2

        Did you get hacked?

  • Nodles ;-;

    bruh moment

  • col rollbuhler

    I remember when you said you were no longer making comics. I was surprised to see you are back. Will frequently check back to read.

  • Frans Cobben

    Look at the Red Terror in Soviet-Russia after 1917, and the Communists fighting Social-Democrats in Spain 1936

  • BillClitone

    one of the tenets of fascism is the use of violence to promote your ideals.

  • SalvadorZombie

    Sorry snowflakes, but you’re full of shit. As usual.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/el-paso-dayton-shooting-fake-news-antifa-charlottesville-867499/

    Based on these reported leftist bona fides, right-wing pundits immediately began speculating that the Dayton shooter was a member of antifa. But aside from a retweet of an antifa account, his Twitter does not contain any references to antifascist activity; nor did he appear to engage in any local antifa action, which would be expected in Dayton, an antifascist hotspot, says Emily Gorcenski, a far-right researcher and creator of First Vigil, which tracks far-right extremism in the United States. “Typically what we see is antifascist activists in they’re mostly focused on their local issues. The folks in Portland they talk about Portland; the folks in D.C. talk about D.C.,” says Gorcenski. “He didn’t talk about any antifascist activities.”

  • 8aajd78

  • Every college that has had a DACA/Puente program has had a unusually
    large number of deaths among fairly young and conservative female
    faculty, on top of doxxing, stalking, assaults, theft, and relatively
    minor things compared to murdering people.

    Denver University,
    Cypress college, Golden West college, etc. etc. all have large number of
    deaths among conservative and non-hispanic faculty once DACA and
    Puente/hispanic/latinX programs start.

  • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

    Stonetoss is weakly disguised fascist propaganda that fails to actually prove any of it’s points. Like these comics are so stupid and contradictory, with no supporting argument, I don’t understand how soft someone’s brain has to be to think that A: Antifa kills, B: Antifa kills more people than literal Nazis, or C: Antifa is somehow fascist in and of itself. More fascist than. Actual Facists. It’s blatant, deliberate propaganda when you accuse the other party of committing your own crimes.

  • disqus_RlgvaTiExR

    The absolute lack of any argument here is astounding. In what reality does Antifa commit mass shootings? If someone, anyone can find me evidence of an antifa member committing domestic terrorist violence, such as a mass shooting, with the approval and support of the Antifa movement I would be genuinely surprised. But you won’t. Research any mass shooting in America over the past 100 years and you will find all of them were racially or religiously motivated with very few exceptions. Statistics aside, since you people won’t believe them anyway, tell me how punching Nazis is worse than Nazis committing mass genocide? Oh but wait Stonetoss is a Holocaust denier and facts mean nothing to you people. The best argument this is gonna get is Nazis killing Jews isn’t ‘bad’, but Antifa Bad anyway

  • Garuda Darkblack

    It’s been over a year and these terrorists are worse than ever. The government (aka The Law) won’t put a stop to them and are telling the police to back down and dropping charges and releasing anyone arrested. Meanwhile, if we try to defend ourselves, let alone try to actively fight off these terrorists, then The Law (aka government) will put us behind bars for the rest of our meaningful lives. So now fighting against the terrorists would also mean fighting against the government and that is not a battle we are prepared to fight yet. We will wait and see if the government eventually deals with these terrorists out of self-preservation or if they let things get so bad that the people have no choice but to fight a war on two fronts (three fronts if you consider BLM independent from Antifa).

  • artem44

    nice, killing fascists is bad since when

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