It’s not reality. The “research” that hes getting his info from about it being spliced from HIV comes from a single, not peer reviewed paper that the authors took down because they said they hadnt researched it enough.

In effect, it pointed out that four inserts in the virus were shared with HIV.

However, these inserts are also shared in loads of other viruses, including the bat coronavirus that the current virus is thought to be derived from.

As an analogy, saying that these viruses must have been spliced from HIV because of these inserts is like saying diet coke must be made from urine, since they both have salt and water in them. While ignoring that almost every other beverage also has salt and water, including the most likely ancestor, regular coke.

And also, two of these four inserts were only matched to HIV because the authors lined up their inserts wrong.

It’s a good thing that wasnt my only argument then. Or did you only read that far?

“Whether the HIV proteins were added remains up for debate; the nature of the virus as man-altered is not.”

According to what information?

And by the way, “not peer reviewed” IS a valid argument, particularly when the paper in question has LITERALLY HALF of their findings wrong due to author error. Error that peer review would have pointed out.

“Oh, and the way the virus is behaving and the manner in which it’s being treated.”

How is the way its behaving and being treated indicative of whatever its man made? What leads you to conclude that? Details, please.

“the theft of coronavirus”

What does this even mean? How do they ‘steal’ the coronavirus, a virus that is found worldwide?

“The behavior of the CCP in response to the event, the proximity of the facility to the “source” of the outbreak, the nature of the work at the facility”

In other words: conjecture, conjecture, and conjecture. This doesnt make you KNOW anything. Wuhan is one of the single largest cities on earth and thus a hotbed for disease. Did you suspect foul play when Legionnaires disease broke out in New York city a few years back? After all the Rockefeller Institute for Infectious disease is there.

And correct, reproducibility remains the greatest tool for verifying results. But peer review remains the greatest tool for catching errors, post and pre analytical. Which is what matters in this case, where half of the findings were false based on error and results were only extrapolated to HIV in order to prove something.

“The nature of its mutations and its survivability off-body.”

This coronavirus has so far shown to be as survivable off body as other coronavirus; that is to say, not very. What mutations are you talking about? You are still not giving specifics.

“responds to treatments used for HIV. Flu doesn’t do this. Pay attention.”

True, flu doesnt do this. But other human coronviruses like SARS and MERS do and have responded to HIV antivirals the same way as this one. Again, this is something normal for coronavirus. Pay attention.

As for your response to “theft,” your URL doesnt work. Why not just explain it, if its apparently so simple a retard can get it?

All the insults in the world wont change the fact that your thoughts of “because china” is still pure conjecture, and does not mean you know ANYTHING factually. Cute witty insults though.

The Rockefeller one was just an example, but if you’d rather get caught on details then here’s another one; would you think the NYU Center for Infectious Disease is behind the legionnaires outbreak, then? Same city, different biosecure facilities.

And you are still not understanding. Reproducibility and peer review do DIFFERENT THINGS, and are both necessary. Reproduction verifies results. Peer review checks for obvious error. Which would have been useful in this case. It is the difference between checking an interview for typos and obvious misunderstanding, and redoing an interview to make sure the answers are the same.

Recap: explain what mutations specifically cause you to think its man made. And explain the “theft” of a virus, found worldwide, by the country that had access to the most dangerous recent coronavirus anyway (SARS).

“Of course it doesn’t work. I had to break it to get the post to go through. Holy ƒuck, you’re dense.”

Lol that’s obvious. But the url leads to an error. I am unable to access the page.

The only thing I can find about the alleged “theft” is news claiming that a CBC story reported that two chinese spies were escorted from a biosecurity lab in canada, with SPECULATION that they stole coronavirus samples.

But here’s the thing; not only is the coronavirus not mentioned at all in any actual reports, but the original reports say they were not spies, just a husband and wife staff and a few of their students. Spy stuff was added by the grapevine later on.

Which is why I was hoping for a better explanation or a source from you. I would hope you wouldn’t make a case on such baseless media frenzy.

“Sorry, kiddo. You failed. No one said this. Defend the commie chinks at your own peril.”

Well, YOU certainly did. With your claims that since its china they’re lying about deaths, morbidity, etc.

And you know what? I agree with you. China probably is lying about a lot. But guess what: they coverup, lie, and iron-fist everything EVERY TIME theres an epidemic. They did it for swine flu, bird flu, SARS, etc. The fact that they’re doing it AGAIN does not prove some shadowy conspiracy about man made virus. That’s just how china is – a communist authoritarian state that will do anything to prevent unrest.

“Reproducibiliy”

And again, you show you dont understand the difference between peer review and reproduction. Yes, if a fictional paper has shown no pre analytical, post analytical, or analytical error, it would pass peer review. Peer review has NOTHING to do with the findings. It just checks that people didnt make dumb mistakes trying to get to the findings.

And dumb mistakes were clearly made in Pradhans paper, that peer review would have caught.

So, those mutations you said would show that its man made? You gonna show those or not? Still waiting on them.

“Yes, that’s literally how spies work”

Except that all the speculation about them being spies who stole coronavirus – speculation not included in any actual reports, and only added by internet commenters later on – happened a year AFTER the incident actually occurred, when the coronavirus broke out. In other words; all this “info” about them being spies who stole coronavirus was added later on by internet commentators trying to find a way to prove how china “made” the coronavirus.

That’s not solid proof at all. That’s grasping at straws.

“You’re clinically insane. You’re literally defending proven CCP lies.”

No, lol. Did you read what I said? I’m not defending them at all. My point is that theyve ALWAYS lied, about every pandemic/epidemic, and the fact that they’re doing it again is not proof that they “made” this virus. It’s conjecture.

Unless you’re claiming that china secretly made every pandemic in recent history?

“Oh, did you know that foreign governments are now doing direct investigations to uncover the nature of the genetic changes? ”

Lol of course they are, because knowing what changes are present are the first step do developing containment protocols. They do the same thing with influenza; you have to know exactly what neuriminidase and hemagglutinin a strain of flu’s gene’s code for before you can fight it. Again; this is something normal for EVERY disease, not even just coronavirus strains.

So does this mean you’re not going to share these mutations that are solid proof of being man made? Even though they would prove you right?

I am still unable to access your specific URL. But every other source I’ve seen describing the incident, which occurred a year ago, makes no mention of chinese spies or coronavirus.

The only time these things are mentioned are in recent, speculative posts that occurred while the outbreak has been happening, a year after the incident. Unless your URL has definitive information proving that these are chinese spies who stole a dangerous coronavirus (which in itself makes no sense, since the most recent dangerous Corona outbreak – SARS – also occurred in china, and they already had access to it), then it is just speculation by internet bloggers trying to link the two together.

So at this point the only evidence you have that china manufactured this disease is internet speculation that an incident that occurred a year ago was due to chinese spies stealing a coronavirus. Speculation that only started once the outbreak occurred.

Unless youd like to finally share these mutations you claim are proof of artificial intervention?

After all, statements require substantiation.

I dont think the url is the problem. I think the problem is that you clearly have NO IDEA what you’re talking about.

You think that the new coronavirus must be artificial because of its survivability in the environment – because you DIDNT KNOW that it’s been shown to be as survivable as other infectious human coronavirus.

You think that it must be artificial because it responds to treatment by HIV antivirals – because you DIDNT KNOW that HIV antivirals have historically been used to treat all infectious human coronavirus.

You think that the fact that research is being done to study the variations in this strain indicates that it’s artificial – because you DIDNT KNOW that this is something done with ALL new strains of disease, including the different strains of flu that happen every year.

You think its artificial because of how china has likely lied about its extent – because you DIDNT KNOW that china has lied about every epidemic in the past thirty years, and didnt even tell the world about SARS until 5 months after it broke out.

You think the fact that the outbreak took place in the same city as a virology institute is proof that its artificial – because you DIDNT KNOW that every major city has SEVERAL biosecure infectious disease labs, and wuhan is one of the largest cities on earth.

“Okay, keep waiting then.”

For your genetic mutations that prove its artificial? The ones that you must surely know because they definitely exist, and you just FEEL like not showing them (but they definitely exist, you guys)? Lol ok

I’m sorry you wanted a safe space where people wouldn’t argue against your ideas and say they’re false. But if you wanted that, you shouldnt have started an argument about something you clearly know nothing about.

Tell your boss to fire you.

“Knew that.”

Then please, answer these questions:

-if you knew the coronavirus is as survivable as all other coronavirus, why did you think the survivability was proof that its man made?

-if you knew the coronavirus responds to HIV antivirals like all other coronavirus, why was that proof that it was man made? PARTICULARLY since you made the point that “uh uh not even flu responds to HIV meds”

-if you knew that every new disease has its variations researched, why even bring it up as proof that its man made? Why did you think it was proof that its man made?

-if you knew that china has lied about every epidemic, then why is them lying about this one proof that its man made?

So that’s FOUR QUESTIONS you need to answer, right there. Were you just bringing up that “evidence” for fun? After all, you knew all that already, right, you very smart guy?

“Wuhan is the only one in China that is a level 4 facility”

Too bad MERS and SARS and all coronavirus are handled and stored at BSL 3 facilities. Just another thing you didnt know. Or did you know that too and are just bringing it up for fun, like everything else you brought up? Lol

“was stolen from Canada last year”

According to what? The internet commentators that only started mentioning the idea when the outbreak first happened? Wheres your proof? Name a source. One from before the outbreak. You dont even need a url. I’ll google it.

“irrelevant to the proof that has already been posted.”

Lol what proof? Every proof you mentioned is just that this coronavirus is the same as every other coronavirus epidemic. And then you claim you KNOW that.
How is that proof?

Oh, and your 4chan rumors that this virus was stolen from canada. Cant forget that iron clad proof. Lol

The only proof you MIGHT have is your mutations. But you wont bring them up because you just dont feel like it. Oh but they’re definitely real, right?